我不时地读到Fortran在繁重的计算中比C更快。这是真的吗?我必须承认我几乎不懂Fortran,但是到目前为止我看到的Fortran代码并没有显示出该语言具有C语言所不具备的特性。

如果是真的,请告诉我原因。请不要告诉我什么语言或库适合处理数字,我不打算写一个应用程序或库来做这个,我只是好奇。


当前回答

我是一个业余程序员,在这两种语言上我都是“平均”。 我发现编写快速Fortran代码比编写C(或c++)代码更容易。Fortran和C都是“历史悠久”的语言(按照今天的标准),被大量使用,并且很好地支持免费和商业编译器。

我不知道这是否是一个历史事实,但Fortran感觉它是为并行/分布式/向量化/多核化而构建的。今天,当我们谈论速度时,它几乎是“标准度量”:“它能缩放吗?”

对于纯粹的cpu计算,我喜欢Fortran。对于任何与IO相关的东西,我发现使用c更容易(无论如何这两种情况都很困难)。

当然,对于并行计算密集型代码,你可能需要使用GPU。C和Fortran都有很多或多或少很好地集成了CUDA/OpenCL接口(现在还有OpenACC)。

我比较客观的回答是:如果你对这两种语言都同样了解或不了解,那么我认为Fortran更快,因为我发现用Fortran写并行/分布式代码比用c更容易(一旦你明白你可以写“自由形式”Fortran,而不仅仅是严格的F77代码)

Here is a 2nd answer for those willing to downvote me because they don't like the 1st answer : Both language have the features required to write high-performance code. So it's dependent of the algorithm you're implementing (cpu intensive ? io intensive ? memory intensive?), the hardware (single cpu ? multi-core ? distribute supercomputer ? GPGPU ? FPGA ?), your skill and ultimately the compiler itself. Both C and Fortran have awesome compiler. (i'm seriously amazed by how advanced Fortran compilers are but so are C compilers).

PS:我很高兴你特别排除了库,因为我有很多关于Fortran GUI库的不好的东西要说。:)

其他回答

The faster code is not really up to the language, is the compiler so you can see the ms-vb "compiler" that generates bloated, slower and redundant object code that is tied together inside an ".exe", but powerBasic generates too way better code. Object code made by a C and C++ compilers is generated in some phases (at least 2) but by design most Fortran compilers have at least 5 phases including high-level optimizations so by design Fortran will always have the capability to generate highly optimized code. So at the end is the compiler not the language you should ask for, the best compiler i know is the Intel Fortran Compiler because you can get it on LINUX and Windows and you can use VS as the IDE, if you're looking for a cheap tigh compiler you can always relay on OpenWatcom.

更多信息: http://ed-thelen.org/1401Project/1401-IBM-Systems-Journal-FORTRAN.html

在某种程度上,Fortran在设计时就考虑到了编译器优化。该语言支持整个数组操作,编译器可以利用并行性(特别是在多核处理器上)。例如,

密集矩阵乘法很简单:

matmul(a,b)

向量x的L2范数为:

sqrt(sum(x**2))

此外,FORALL、PURE和ELEMENTAL程序等语句进一步有助于优化代码。由于这个简单的原因,即使是Fortran中的指针也不如C语言灵活。

即将发布的Fortran标准(2008)具有协同数组,允许您轻松地编写并行代码。G95(开源)和来自CRAY的编译器已经支持它。

所以是的,Fortran可以很快,因为编译器可以比C/ c++更好地优化/并行化。但是就像生活中的其他事情一样,有好的编译器和坏的编译器。

大多数帖子已经提出了令人信服的论点,所以我只是在另一个方面加上众所周知的2美分。

在处理能力方面,fortran更快或更慢是有其重要性的,但如果用fortran开发一些东西需要5倍多的时间,因为:

it lacks any good library for tasks different from pure number crunching it lack any decent tool for documentation and unit testing it's a language with very low expressivity, skyrocketing the number of lines of code. it has a very poor handling of strings it has an inane amount of issues among different compilers and architectures driving you crazy. it has a very poor IO strategy (READ/WRITE of sequential files. Yes, random access files exist but did you ever see them used?) it does not encourage good development practices, modularization. effective lack of a fully standard, fully compliant opensource compiler (both gfortran and g95 do not support everything) very poor interoperability with C (mangling: one underscore, two underscores, no underscore, in general one underscore but two if there's another underscore. and just let not delve into COMMON blocks...)

那么这个问题就无关紧要了。如果某样东西很慢,大多数时候你无法在给定的限制范围内改进它。如果你想要更快,改变算法。最后,使用电脑的时间很便宜。人类的时间不是。珍惜减少人类时间的选择。如果它增加了使用电脑的时间,无论如何它都是有成本效益的。

这两种语言具有相似的特性集。性能上的差异来自Fortran不允许混淆的事实,除非使用了EQUIVALENCE语句。任何有别名的代码都不是有效的Fortran,但是它是由程序员而不是编译器来检测这些错误的。因此,Fortran编译器忽略了可能的内存指针别名,并允许它们生成更有效的代码。看一下C语言中的这个小例子:

void transform (float *output, float const * input, float const * matrix, int *n)
{
    int i;
    for (i=0; i<*n; i++)
    {
        float x = input[i*2+0];
        float y = input[i*2+1];
        output[i*2+0] = matrix[0] * x + matrix[1] * y;
        output[i*2+1] = matrix[2] * x + matrix[3] * y;
    }
}

这个函数在优化后会比Fortran函数运行得慢。为什么如此?如果你在输出数组中写入值,你可能会改变矩阵的值。毕竟,指针可以重叠并指向相同的内存块(包括int指针!)C编译器被迫从内存中重新加载所有计算的四个矩阵值。

在Fortran中,编译器只加载一次矩阵值,并将它们存储在寄存器中。它可以这样做是因为Fortran编译器假定指针/数组在内存中不重叠。

Fortunately, the restrict keyword and strict-aliasing have been introduced to the C99 standard to address this problem. It's well supported in most C++ compilers these days as well. The keyword allows you to give the compiler a hint that the programmer promises that a pointer does not alias with any other pointer. The strict-aliasing means that the programmer promises that pointers of different type will never overlap, for example a double* will not overlap with an int* (with the specific exception that char* and void* can overlap with anything).

If you use them you will get the same speed from C and Fortran. However, the ability to use the restrict keyword only with performance critical functions means that C (and C++) programs are much safer and easier to write. For example, consider the invalid Fortran code: CALL TRANSFORM(A(1, 30), A(2, 31), A(3, 32), 30), which most Fortran compilers will happily compile without any warning but introduces a bug that only shows up on some compilers, on some hardware and with some optimization options.

简单快捷: 这两种语言同样快,但Fortran更简单。 到底哪个更快取决于算法,但无论如何,速度上没有很大的差别。这是我2015年在德国斯图加德高性能计算中心的Fortran研讨会上所学到的。我同时使用Fortran和C语言,我也有同样的观点。

解释:

C语言是用来编写操作系统的。因此,它拥有编写高性能代码所需的更多自由。一般来说,这是没有问题的,但是如果一个人不仔细编程,他很容易减慢代码的速度。

Fortran是为科学编程而设计的。因此,它支持编写语法方面的快速代码,因为这是Fortran的主要目的。与公众的看法相反,Fortran并不是一种过时的编程语言。它的最新标准是2010年,新的编译器定期发布,因为大多数高性能代码都是用Fortran编写的。Fortran进一步支持现代功能,如编译器指令(在C语言中)。

例子: 我们想给一个大的结构体作为函数的输入参数(fortran: suboutine)。在函数中,参数不会被改变。

C同时支持引用调用和值调用,这是一个非常方便的特性。在我们的例子中,程序员可能会意外地使用按值调用。这大大降低了速度,因为需要首先将结构体复制到内存中。

Fortran只使用引用调用,这迫使程序员手动复制结构,如果他真的想要按值调用操作。在我们的例子中,通过引用调用,fortran将自动和C版本一样快。