在HTML中,表格不应该用于布局,这似乎是普遍的观点。

Why?

我从来没有(老实说,很少)看到过支持这一点的有力论据。通常的答案是:

It's good to separate content from layoutBut this is a fallacious argument; Cliche Thinking. I guess it's true that using the table element for layout has little to do with tabular data. So what? Does my boss care? Do my users care?Perhaps me or my fellow developers who have to maintain a web page care... Is a table less maintainable? I think using a table is easier than using divs and CSS.By the way... why is using a div or a span good separation of content from layout and a table not? Getting a good layout with only divs often requires a lot of nested divs. Readability of the codeI think it's the other way around. Most people understand HTML, few understand CSS. It's better for SEO not to use tablesWhy? Can anybody show some evidence that it is? Or a statement from Google that tables are discouraged from an SEO perspective? Tables are slower.An extra tbody element has to be inserted. This is peanuts for modern web browsers. Show me some benchmarks where the use of a table significantly slows down a page. A layout overhaul is easier without tables, see css Zen Garden.Most web sites that need an upgrade need new content (HTML) as well. Scenarios where a new version of a web site only needs a new CSS file are not very likely. Zen Garden is a nice web site, but a bit theoretical. Not to mention its misuse of CSS.

我对使用divs + CSS而不是表的良好参数非常感兴趣。


当前回答

我没有对DIVs有利的论据。

我会说:如果事实属实,那就接受吧。

值得注意的是,要找到一种好的DIV+CSS方法来在两列或三列中呈现内容,并且在所有浏览器上都是一致的,并且看起来仍然是我想要的方式,即使不是不可能,也是很困难的。

在我的大多数布局中,这让平衡感向表格倾斜了一点,尽管我对使用它们感到内疚(不知道为什么,人们只是说它不好,所以我试着听他们的),最后,务实的观点是,对我来说,使用表格更容易、更快。我不是按小时计酬的,所以桌子对我来说比较便宜。

其他回答

我想这事已经过去了。如果你看看行业的发展方向,你会发现CSS和开放标准是这场讨论的赢家。这反过来意味着对于大多数html工作,除了表单,设计师将使用div而不是表格。我很难做到这一点,因为我不是CSS专家,但事实就是这样。

一张桌子来布置也不错。但大多数情况下,仅靠一张表是无法得到所需的布局的。很快你就有了2到3个嵌套表。这变得非常麻烦。

It IS a LOT harder to read. That's not up to opinion. There's just more nested tags with no identifying marks on them. Separating content from presentation is a good thing because it allows you to focus on what you're doing. Mixing the two leads to bloated pages that are hard to read. CSS for styles allows your browser to cache the files and subsequent requests are much faster. This is HUGE. Tables lock you into a design. Sure, not everyone needs the flexibility of CSS Zen Garden, but I've never worked on a site where I didn't need to change the design a little bit here and there. It's much easier with CSS. Tables are hard to style. You don't have very much flexibility with them (i.e. you still need to add HTML attributes to fully control a table's styles)

我大概有4年没有用表格来处理非表格数据了。我没有回头。

我真的很想建议你阅读Andy Budd的《CSS Mastery》。棒极了。

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我将一个接一个地看你的论点,并试着指出其中的错误。

将内容与布局分开是很好的 但这是一个错误的论点;陈词滥调的思考。

It's not fallacious at all because HTML was designed intentionally. Misuse of an element might not be completely out of question (after all, new idioms have developed in other languages, as well) but possible negative implications have to be counterbalanced. Additionally, even if there were no arguments against misusing the <table> element today, there might be tomorrow because of the way browser vendors apply special treatment to the element. After all, they know that “<table> elements are for tabular data only” and might use this fact to improve the rendering engine, in the process subtly changing how <table>s behave, and thus breaking cases where it was previously misused.

那又怎样?我的老板在乎吗?我的用户关心吗?

视情况而定。你的老板是尖头发吗?那他可能不在乎。如果她有能力,那么她就会在乎,因为用户会在乎。

也许我或我的开发伙伴谁必须维护一个网页关心…表是否更难维护?我认为使用表格比使用div和css更容易。

大多数专业的web开发人员似乎反对你[需要引用]。事实上,表的可维护性较差,这是显而易见的。使用表格进行布局意味着更改公司布局实际上意味着更改每个页面。这可能会非常昂贵。另一方面,明智地将语义上有意义的HTML与CSS结合使用可能会将此类更改限制在CSS和所使用的图片上。

顺便说一下……为什么使用div或span可以很好地将内容与布局分开,而不是表格?只有div的良好布局通常需要大量嵌套的div。

深度嵌套<div>是反模式,就像表布局一样。优秀的网页设计师不需要太多这样的东西。另一方面,即使是这样深嵌套的div也没有很多表布局的问题。事实上,它们甚至可以通过逻辑地将内容划分为多个部分来构成语义结构。

代码的可读性 我觉得正好相反。大多数人懂html,很少人懂css。这是简单的。

“大多数人”不重要。专业人士。对于专业人士来说,表格布局比HTML + CSS带来更多的问题。这就像是说我不应该使用GVim或Emacs,因为记事本对大多数人来说更简单。或者我不应该使用LaTeX,因为MS Word对大多数人来说更简单。

SEO最好不要使用表格

我不知道这是不是真的,也不会把它作为一个论点,但它是合乎逻辑的。搜索引擎搜索相关数据。虽然表格数据当然可能是相关的,但它很少是用户搜索的内容。用户搜索页面标题或类似突出位置中使用的术语。因此,将表格内容排除在过滤之外,从而大幅减少处理时间(和成本!)是合乎逻辑的。

表比较慢。 必须插入一个额外的tbody元素。这对于现代网络浏览器来说是微不足道的。

额外的元素与表变慢无关。另一方面,表的布局算法要困难得多,浏览器通常必须等待整个表加载后才能开始布局内容。此外,缓存布局将不起作用(CSS可以很容易地缓存)。所有这些都在前面提到过。

向我展示一些使用表会显著降低页面速度的基准测试。

不幸的是,我没有任何基准测试数据。我自己也会感兴趣,因为这个论点确实缺乏一定的科学严谨性。

大多数需要升级的网站也需要新的内容(html)。一个新版本的网站只需要一个新的css文件的场景是不太可能的。

Not at all. I've worked on several cases where changing the design was simplified by a separation of content and design. It's often still necessary to change some HTML code but the changes will always be much more confined. Additionally, design changes must on occasion be made dynamically. Consider template engines such as the one used by the WordPress blogging system. Table layouts would literally kill this system. I've worked on a similar case for a commercial software. Being able to change the design without changing the HTML code was one of the business requirements.

Another thing. Table layout makes automated parsing of websites (screen scraping) much harder. This might sound trivial because, after all, who does it? I was surprised myself. Screen scraping can help a lot if the service in question doesn't offer a WebService alternative to access its data. I'm working in bioinformatics where this is a sad reality. Modern web techniques and WebServices have not reached most developers and often, screen scraping is the only way to automate the process of getting data. No wonder that many biologists still perform such tasks manually. For thousands of data sets.

下面是我的程序员在一个类似的帖子中给出的答案

语义101

首先看一下这段代码,想想哪里出了问题……

class car {
    int wheels = 4;
    string engine;
}

car mybike = new car();
mybike.wheels = 2;
mybike.engine = null;

当然,问题在于自行车不是汽车。car类对于bike实例是不合适的类。代码没有错误,但是语义不正确。这对程序员的形象很不利。

语义102

现在将此应用于文档标记。如果您的文档需要显示表格数据,那么适当的标记将是<table>。但是,如果将导航放在表中,则滥用了<table>元素的预期用途。在第二种情况下,您没有表示表格数据—您(mis)使用<table>元素来实现表示目标。

结论

游客会注意到吗?不。你的老板在乎吗?也许吧。作为程序员,我们有时会偷工减料吗?当然。但是我们应该吗?不。如果使用语义标记,谁会受益?你,还有你的职业声誉。现在去做正确的事吧。

我想补充的是,基于div的布局更容易维护、发展和重构。只是在CSS中做了一些改变来重新排序元素,这就完成了。根据我的经验,重新设计使用表的布局是一场噩梦(如果有嵌套的表,则会更糟)。

从语义的角度来看,代码也有意义。