The issue of strictly separating presentation and content strikes me as roughly analogous to separating header files from implementation files in C++. It makes sense, but it can also be a pain. Witness Java and C# where classes are defined in a single source file. The authors of the newer languages noticed something that was causing programmers headaches and they got rid of it. That seems to be the gist of this discussion. One side is saying CSS is too difficult, the other side is saying one must become a CSS master.

对于简单的布局问题，为什么不改变表示必须完全独立的规则呢?一个新的标签(或者一些div标签的扩展)可以让我们直接在HTML中控制显示?毕竟，我们不是已经将表示泄露到HTML中了吗?看看h1, h2, h6。我们都知道这些控制表示。

阅读代码(HTML就是代码)的能力非常重要。专家们往往忽略了使编程环境尽可能为大众所接受的重要性。认为只有专业程序员才重要是非常短视的。

一个例子:你想要居中 一个页面的主要内容区域，但在 为了把浮体装在里面， 它需要浮动。没有 CSS中的float: center。

这并不是在居中元素中“包含浮点数”的唯一方法。所以，这根本不是一个好的论点!

在某种程度上，“divs vs table”是一个错误的前提。

把一页快速地分成三列?说实话，表格更简单。但是没有专业人士将它们用于布局，因为它们将页面元素的位置锁定在页面中。

真正的争论是“由CSS完成的定位(最好是在远程文件中)”，而不是“在页面中由HTML完成的定位”。相对于后者，每个人都能看到前者的好处吗?

Size -- if your page layout is in the HTML, in the pages, it can't be cached, and it has to be repeated on every page. You will save enormous amounts of bandwidth if your layout is in a cached CSS file, not in the page. Multiple developers can work on the same page at the same time -- I work on the HTML, other guy works on the CSS. No repository needed, no problems with over-writing, file locking etc. Making changes is easier -- there will be problems with layout in different browsers, but you only have to fix one file, the CSS file, to sort them out. Accessibility, as mentioned a lot previously. Tables assume a two-dimensional layout works for everyone. That's not how some users view your content and it's not how Google views your content.

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表示包含6个单元格的表中的两行。能看到二维表格布局的人会在每张图片下看到标题。但是使用语音合成，或者PDA，以及搜索引擎蜘蛛，那是

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有了表格，这种关系就明显消失了。

div和CSS是否更适合在HTML页面上简单地布局矩形以在最短的时间内实现给定的设计?不，他们可能不是。但我不是在快速布局矩形来实现给定的设计。我想的是更大的前景。

I still don't quite understand how divs / CSS make it easier to change a page design when you consider the amount of testing to ensure the changes work on all browsers, especially with all the hacks and so on. Its a hugely frustrating and tedious process which wastes large amounts of time and money. Thankfully the 508 legislation only applies to the USA (land of the free - yeah right) and so being as I am based in the UK, I can develop web sites in whatever style I choose. Contrary to popular (US) belief, legislation made in Washington doesn't apply to the rest of the world - thank goodness for that. It must have been a good day in the world of web design the day the legislation came into force. I think I'm becoming increasingly cynical as I get older with 25 years in the IT industry but I feel sure this kind of legislation is just to protect jobs. In reality anyone can knock together a reasonable web page with a couple of tables. It takes a lot more effort and knowledge to do this with DIVs / CSS. In my experience it can take hours and hours Googling to find solutions to quite simple problems and reading incomprehensible articles in forums full of idealistic zealots all argueing about the 'right' way to do things. You can't just dip your toe in the water and get things to work properly in every case. It also seems to me that the lack of a definitive guide to using DIVS / CSS "out of the box", that applies to all situations, working on browsers, and written using 'normal' language with no geek speak, also smells of a bit of protectionism. I'm an application developer and I would say it takes almost twice as long to figure out layout problems and test against all browsers than it does to create the basic application, design and implement business objects, and create the database back end. My time = money, both for me and my customers alike so I am sorry if I don't reject all the pro DIV / CSS arguments in favour of cutting costs and providing value for money for my customers. Maybe its just the way that developers minds work, but it seems to me far easier to change a complex table structure than it is to modify DIVs / CSS. Thankfully it now appears that a solution to these issues is now available - its called WPF.

我认为没有人会在意一个网站是如何设计/实现的，当它运行得很好并且运行得很快的时候。

我在HTML标记中同时使用“table”和“div”/“span”标记。

让我给你一些我为什么选择跳水的理由:

for a table you have to write at least 3 tags (table, tr, td, thead, tbody), for a nice design, sometimes you have a lot of nested tables I like to have components on the page. I don't know how to explain exactly but will try. Suppose you need a logo and this have to be placed, just a small piece of it, over the next page content. Using tables you have to cut 2 images and put this into 2 different TDs. Using DIVs you can have a simple CSS to arange it as you want. Which solution do you like best? when more then 3 nested tables for doing something I am thinking to redesign it using DIVs

但是我仍然在使用表格:

表格数据 扩展自我的内容 快速解决方案(原型)，因为DIVs盒子模型在每个浏览器上是不同的，因为许多生成器使用表格等

根据508法规(对于视障屏幕阅读器)，表格应该只用于保存数据，而不是用于布局，因为它会导致屏幕阅读器崩溃。至少别人是这么告诉我的。

如果您为每个div分配名称，您也可以使用CSS将它们一起蒙皮。只是让他们坐成你想要的样子有点麻烦。

CSS/DIV - it's just jobs for the design boys, isn't it. The hundreds of hours I've spent debugging DIV/CSS issues, searching the Internet to get some part of markup working with an obscure browser - it drives me mad. You make one little change and the whole layout goes horrendously wrong - where on eath is the logic in that. Spending hours moving something 3 pixels this way then something else 2 pixels the other to get them all to line up. This just seems plain wrong to me somehow. Just because you're a purist and something is "not the right thing to do" doesn't mean you should make use of it to the nth degree and under all circumstances, especially if it makes your life 1000 times easier.

So I've finally decided, purely on commercial grounds, although I keep use to minimum, if I anticipate 20 hours work to get a DIV placed correctly, I'll stick in a table. It's wrong, it upsets the purists, but in most cases it costs less time and is cheaper to manage. I can then concentrate on getting the application working as the customer wants, rather than pleasing the purists. They do pay the bills after all and my argument to a manager enforcing the use of CSS/DIV - I would merely point out the customers pay his salary as well!

所有这些CSS/DIV争论出现的唯一原因是因为CSS的缺点，首先是因为浏览器之间不兼容，如果它们相互兼容，世界上一半的网页设计师将失业。

When you design a windows form you don't try moving controls around after you have laid them out so I kind of think it's strange to me why you would you want to do this with a web form. I simply can't understand this logic. Get the layout right to start with and what's the problem. I think it's because designers like to flirt with creativity, whilst application developers are more concerned with actually getting the application working, creating business objects, implementing business rules, working out how bits of customer data relates to each other, ensuring the thing meets the customers requirements - you know - like the real world stuff.

不要误解我的意思，这两种观点都是正确的，但是请不要因为开发人员选择了一种更简单、更合乎逻辑的方式来设计表单而批评他们。我们常常有比正确使用表而不是div的语义更重要的事情要担心。

在这个讨论的基础上，我将一些现有的tds和trs转换为div。花了45分钟把它弄得乱七八糟想把所有东西都排列整齐然后我就放弃了。td在10秒后回来-工作-立即-在所有浏览器上，没有更多的事情要做。请试着让我明白——你有什么理由让我用其他方式做这件事!