CSS/DIV - it's just jobs for the design boys, isn't it. The hundreds of hours I've spent debugging DIV/CSS issues, searching the Internet to get some part of markup working with an obscure browser - it drives me mad. You make one little change and the whole layout goes horrendously wrong - where on eath is the logic in that. Spending hours moving something 3 pixels this way then something else 2 pixels the other to get them all to line up. This just seems plain wrong to me somehow. Just because you're a purist and something is "not the right thing to do" doesn't mean you should make use of it to the nth degree and under all circumstances, especially if it makes your life 1000 times easier.

So I've finally decided, purely on commercial grounds, although I keep use to minimum, if I anticipate 20 hours work to get a DIV placed correctly, I'll stick in a table. It's wrong, it upsets the purists, but in most cases it costs less time and is cheaper to manage. I can then concentrate on getting the application working as the customer wants, rather than pleasing the purists. They do pay the bills after all and my argument to a manager enforcing the use of CSS/DIV - I would merely point out the customers pay his salary as well!

所有这些CSS/DIV争论出现的唯一原因是因为CSS的缺点，首先是因为浏览器之间不兼容，如果它们相互兼容，世界上一半的网页设计师将失业。

When you design a windows form you don't try moving controls around after you have laid them out so I kind of think it's strange to me why you would you want to do this with a web form. I simply can't understand this logic. Get the layout right to start with and what's the problem. I think it's because designers like to flirt with creativity, whilst application developers are more concerned with actually getting the application working, creating business objects, implementing business rules, working out how bits of customer data relates to each other, ensuring the thing meets the customers requirements - you know - like the real world stuff.

不要误解我的意思，这两种观点都是正确的，但是请不要因为开发人员选择了一种更简单、更合乎逻辑的方式来设计表单而批评他们。我们常常有比正确使用表而不是div的语义更重要的事情要担心。

在这个讨论的基础上，我将一些现有的tds和trs转换为div。花了45分钟把它弄得乱七八糟想把所有东西都排列整齐然后我就放弃了。td在10秒后回来-工作-立即-在所有浏览器上，没有更多的事情要做。请试着让我明白——你有什么理由让我用其他方式做这件事!

我认为没有人会在意一个网站是如何设计/实现的，当它运行得很好并且运行得很快的时候。

我在HTML标记中同时使用“table”和“div”/“span”标记。

让我给你一些我为什么选择跳水的理由:

for a table you have to write at least 3 tags (table, tr, td, thead, tbody), for a nice design, sometimes you have a lot of nested tables I like to have components on the page. I don't know how to explain exactly but will try. Suppose you need a logo and this have to be placed, just a small piece of it, over the next page content. Using tables you have to cut 2 images and put this into 2 different TDs. Using DIVs you can have a simple CSS to arange it as you want. Which solution do you like best? when more then 3 nested tables for doing something I am thinking to redesign it using DIVs

但是我仍然在使用表格:

表格数据 扩展自我的内容 快速解决方案(原型)，因为DIVs盒子模型在每个浏览器上是不同的，因为许多生成器使用表格等

我想这事已经过去了。如果你看看行业的发展方向，你会发现CSS和开放标准是这场讨论的赢家。这反过来意味着对于大多数html工作，除了表单，设计师将使用div而不是表格。我很难做到这一点，因为我不是CSS专家，但事实就是这样。

我将一个接一个地看你的论点，并试着指出其中的错误。

将内容与布局分开是很好的 但这是一个错误的论点;陈词滥调的思考。

It's not fallacious at all because HTML was designed intentionally. Misuse of an element might not be completely out of question (after all, new idioms have developed in other languages, as well) but possible negative implications have to be counterbalanced. Additionally, even if there were no arguments against misusing the <table> element today, there might be tomorrow because of the way browser vendors apply special treatment to the element. After all, they know that “<table> elements are for tabular data only” and might use this fact to improve the rendering engine, in the process subtly changing how <table>s behave, and thus breaking cases where it was previously misused.

那又怎样?我的老板在乎吗?我的用户关心吗?

视情况而定。你的老板是尖头发吗?那他可能不在乎。如果她有能力，那么她就会在乎，因为用户会在乎。

也许我或我的开发伙伴谁必须维护一个网页关心…表是否更难维护?我认为使用表格比使用div和css更容易。

大多数专业的web开发人员似乎反对你[需要引用]。事实上，表的可维护性较差，这是显而易见的。使用表格进行布局意味着更改公司布局实际上意味着更改每个页面。这可能会非常昂贵。另一方面，明智地将语义上有意义的HTML与CSS结合使用可能会将此类更改限制在CSS和所使用的图片上。

顺便说一下……为什么使用div或span可以很好地将内容与布局分开，而不是表格?只有div的良好布局通常需要大量嵌套的div。

深度嵌套<div>是反模式，就像表布局一样。优秀的网页设计师不需要太多这样的东西。另一方面，即使是这样深嵌套的div也没有很多表布局的问题。事实上，它们甚至可以通过逻辑地将内容划分为多个部分来构成语义结构。

代码的可读性 我觉得正好相反。大多数人懂html，很少人懂css。这是简单的。

“大多数人”不重要。专业人士。对于专业人士来说，表格布局比HTML + CSS带来更多的问题。这就像是说我不应该使用GVim或Emacs，因为记事本对大多数人来说更简单。或者我不应该使用LaTeX，因为MS Word对大多数人来说更简单。

SEO最好不要使用表格

我不知道这是不是真的，也不会把它作为一个论点，但它是合乎逻辑的。搜索引擎搜索相关数据。虽然表格数据当然可能是相关的，但它很少是用户搜索的内容。用户搜索页面标题或类似突出位置中使用的术语。因此，将表格内容排除在过滤之外，从而大幅减少处理时间(和成本!)是合乎逻辑的。

表比较慢。 必须插入一个额外的tbody元素。这对于现代网络浏览器来说是微不足道的。

额外的元素与表变慢无关。另一方面，表的布局算法要困难得多，浏览器通常必须等待整个表加载后才能开始布局内容。此外，缓存布局将不起作用(CSS可以很容易地缓存)。所有这些都在前面提到过。

向我展示一些使用表会显著降低页面速度的基准测试。

不幸的是，我没有任何基准测试数据。我自己也会感兴趣，因为这个论点确实缺乏一定的科学严谨性。

大多数需要升级的网站也需要新的内容(html)。一个新版本的网站只需要一个新的css文件的场景是不太可能的。

Not at all. I've worked on several cases where changing the design was simplified by a separation of content and design. It's often still necessary to change some HTML code but the changes will always be much more confined. Additionally, design changes must on occasion be made dynamically. Consider template engines such as the one used by the WordPress blogging system. Table layouts would literally kill this system. I've worked on a similar case for a commercial software. Being able to change the design without changing the HTML code was one of the business requirements.

Another thing. Table layout makes automated parsing of websites (screen scraping) much harder. This might sound trivial because, after all, who does it? I was surprised myself. Screen scraping can help a lot if the service in question doesn't offer a WebService alternative to access its data. I'm working in bioinformatics where this is a sad reality. Modern web techniques and WebServices have not reached most developers and often, screen scraping is the only way to automate the process of getting data. No wonder that many biologists still perform such tasks manually. For thousands of data sets.

作为纯布局使用的表格确实会带来一些可访问性问题(我听说过)。但我理解这里被问到的问题，你正在通过使用表格来确保页面上某些东西的正确对齐来破坏网络。

我以前听到有人说，FORM标签和输入实际上是数据，应该允许它们进入表。

使用一个表来确保一些元素正确排列会导致代码大量增加，这种说法往往包含了单个DIV如何满足所有需求的示例。他们不总是包括10行CSS和特殊的浏览器技巧，他们必须为IE5、IE5.5、IE6、IE7……

我认为这仍然是关于在你的设计中使用平衡。表格在工具箱里，记住它们是干什么用的……

对于为了简单或临时的东西而拼凑在一起的HTML，表很有用。如果你正在构建一个大型网站，你应该使用div和CSS，因为随着时间的推移，随着网站的变化，它将更容易维护。